Which Scarifice was more tragic and more painful?
Both were ultimately and unbelievable scarifice for Peter and Loki to keep their friends and loves safe from a far greater threat, but my favourite is definitely and importantly is loki for me because he gave up his entire life to save the enterie multiverse and his friends to give them a new life and to create a better difference and new way of keeping the flow of the timeline more secure and more balanced too. Peter was amazing too, but that was more of keeping his identity safe, but also having to know that he's a ghost watching the people that he used to know now as everyday folks. And him becoming the hero that we was meant to be as the one and only spiderman.
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Like spider-man's life for that "one" year sucked. Tony and aunt may died, everyone found out who he was, he "died", now everyone forgot him completely.
Yelena & Hawkeye's fight brings this into sharper focus (and never ceases to make me sad either)
Honestly it would have been really cool if Nat surived and became the guardian angel for Clint's family after Thanos was dealt with
Her sacrifice in Endgame was her attempt at wiping that ledger of death clean by saving the universe, alongside saving her friends and family
I think that moment spurred something in her to really sense the gravity of the situation more deeply personally, and perhaps what also gave her some mental confirmation that the sacrifice would indeed be not in vain.
In another timeline, her sacrifice could have meant nothing. They still lose and she is still dead.
Truly brings into perspective how important Nat's sacrifice was, if the other 14 million combinations all ended in failure
She did it to save her friend. They would get the stone either way but the alternative was letting Clint die.
Although 616 Peter also saves the multiverse in a way.
But it's close, for all the problems this phase of the MCU had, it did have 2 of the biggest heroic sacrifices that felt wildly unique.
Don't know if he can interact.
At the end of his series, he takes his symbolic throne not for the power he once desired, but for his altruistic wish to protect those he love. His sacrifice not only is greater than Peter's but also concludes his amazing character development.
There's something more tragic knowing he's finally learned to be selfless and one of the first things he has to do is make a huge sacrifice to protect the people he loves.
Peter's sacrifice doesn't feel as tragic. He *can* tell MJ and Ned who he is and probably get them to believe him. He chooses not to because he's doing that "they're safer not having me in their life" thing.
Dudes character development is unparalleled
In comparison to Peter Parker, it does make me very cautious about the new Spider-Man movie. Spider Man is such a highly popular character that Sony isn’t going to retire the character any time soon and will continue to churn out more movies especially when Tom Holland is still involved. Couple this with the fact that other writers will be involved; basically the character’s story-arc(s) has more chances of getting messed up with each new movie.
Like I’m sorry but Spider-Man sacrificing his friends for their own good is so fucking played out at this point that it’s the FLAW of Spider-Gwen and Peter B in the 2nd Spider Verse movie.
But as a whole, the strength of the actors + one of the most satisfying story arcs out there, it’s fantastic.
But Black Widow is probs the best answer considering she jumped off a cliff just for everyone to even have a chance of success
But Loki...he is truly alone. He can never leave his spot to go have a meal with anyone else, or even by himself. That's true and ULTIMATE loneliness. Loki takes this.
A close second would be Natasha's sacrifice on Vormir
For Peter, things will never go back to the way they were before.
Loki, although he turned good, was NOT always a good person. He attempted genocide at least twice on screen, and committed many murders along the way. He had a lot more to atone for. So his sacrifice was less "tragic" and more "redeeming".
whereas peter case has many plot holes to undo the spell, for starter u can start asking strange what are all the rules and intricacies for the memory wipe spell
guy can do literally anything he wants then time slip back to just before he leaves to prevent the multiverse unraveling without him
peter's stuck with the consequences of his actions though, at least until the next movie
Loki will hopefully see those he loves again (narratively in the MCU that just seems likely). But ultimately his story is wrapped up full circle. If we weren’t in a series that pays things off with him returning, then I’d say there’s almost no chance/reason for him to get off his throne. I don’t know if that’s more tragic necessarily, but it was certainly more painful to me personally. It’s tough to say goodbye.
Isolated, essentially imprisoned and continuing to learn the value of freedom / life. In many ways it’s the perfect send off for Loki.
Peters is awful, his fault for sure but feels like the writers went this direction moreso to give them a chance at a soft reboot, less tech heavy spiderman… I love that movie, sacrifice is incredible but you watch it and are like is this really the best we can do?
So overall, peters is more sad.
Lokis is more heroic and growth of the character
Loki wanted to be free, wanted to be loved, wanted family, he spent thousands of years trying to save everyone to live his life as a free person. Instead he lost it all over and over again until he had to voluntarily surrender everything where is trapped and isolated from everyone he cares about, forced to watch them from afar, potentially for eternity.
Peter had control of Stark industries and all the PR firms and lawyers at his disposal to win the media battle. Instead he chose to have a sorcerer manipulate the mind of everyone in the universe who knew he was Spider-Man. That was wrong and he knew it. As I said, Peter’s story is sadder primarily because it’s far easier to relate to on a human and relationship level. He was a kid who just wanted to escape something hard and the consequences were really really bad for him personally.
But Peter has hope, Loki seems to have none.
P.S. I think that version of Loki could definitely lift Thors hammer.
Loki’s was beautiful.
Apples and oranges...
Peter at least has the change to get to know new people again. a chance to move on.
Peter's sacrifice brings him strength to move on.
Also remember, Peter's can still make new friends, Loki has to (as far as we know for now) sit there holding the timeliness for eternity.
As the series goes on he does all this because he wants to save his friends. Spends uncountable years trying to come up with a solution that will ensure the safety of his friends and that he will be there with them. Eventually he realises he can't be with them and save them at the same time. So he takes up his burden, his glorious purpose and spends eternity alone to ensure the safety of others.
Erasing who you are from everyone's mind so nobody knows you and those who loved you don't even know you exist anymore. To me, ain't nothing more tragic.
And you have to go on with the love for people that don't know you? Heartbreaking.
I'm sure something will happen and MJ and Ned will again remember Peter
Loki is alone.
I'm a tad bit more partial to Loki because of how long we've been with him between his first arc, and the second arc the show brought out in a variant to play a large role in the multiverse
Peter lost everything and got nothing in return.
Peter never wanted to be alone.
Peter’s by a mile.
1. Peter's sacrifice is the ABSOLUTE worst. He's a very young adult and to have everyone forget him is Hell. I'm older, and I'd be OK with it. Lots of the people I love(d) are dead. I've had my time. Peter has given up everyone, and his Aunt's death is still fresh. And he gets to see them moving on with happy life events. And his heroic deeds? No one remembers. Well...except Wong.
2. Loki? This is his arch. He's lived thousands of years. He wants to do this now even though he knows it is hard.
Loki is the complete opposite. Loki did not assume that he knew better than anyone, in fact he spent 1,000s if not millions or trillions of years attempting to defy fate by learning anything and everything he could through trial and error. Loki demonstrated perfectly all of the lessons in humility and trust that he developed over the course of two seasons of TV to attempt the impossible. Even though he has attained the power of a God he does not use this to betray Sylvie's autonomy. It would be so easy for him to undo Sylvie's "wrong" but instead he insists on attempting to reason with her. He does not make decisions for anyone. With the ability to travel to any point in time or space as effortlessly as flicking his wrist, he chooses to use his power to consult his friends. All he wants is their advice. Even with his back to the wall, having tried feasibly anything and everything he possibly could to save his friends, he still chooses to sacrifice everything he loves for the SAKE of his friends in a way that doesn't undo Sylvie's wish.
At first glance maybe you see these two things as comparable but in reality they are anything but. Where Peter sacrifices his friend's memory of him so that they can have a life that they don't want, Loki sacrifices himself so his friends can live liberated of the bloody and horrific reality they were consigned to before. Where Peter committed zero effort and accomplished less than nothing, Loki exhausted everything within his power to achieve everything. For you. For all of us. Now cease this Loki slander.